The "Under Average"

[Rob Harrison]

An idea presented by one of the SRAC reps (name to be released by himself) is starting to gather favorable responses from various decision maker's. It is in fact being discussed at the SRAC meeting in Chicago.

I named it the Under Average, a simple calculation of the final qualifying order of "every" race, taking the total amount under the index, divided by the number of cars, giving an "average under" say -62 under, to set the permanent hit point.

If the average is -60 or below, nothing changes.

The top 1/2 is suggested as a better average under, divided by 8 of the 16 car field, instead of 16, which may be a better indication of the "safe zone" so to speak.

With this in place, the altitude factors stay the same and the mineshaft hits are reduced (Belle Rose this year)

[Adger Smith]

Rob,
That is so simple. Too easy... should help with the weather variables from track to track... Div to Div. Has anyone been running the numbers this year to see what difference it WOULD have made? As a low buck guy I would see it as a blessing. I would have less fear of a major investment in a class being wasted in another Div or by better/quicker air mass than I would ever have a chance to race in.
Adger Smith

[PeteAdams]

I say phuck all the bastards that can go .60+ under and then wanna cry about index hits anyway!!! I say Hit um fast, hit um hard, keep hitting um until your all .50 under cars like God intended!!!! Then we could just go boat racing in the river of tears that would be left behind.... Comp is just like American politics everyone involved just want to manipulate the system to benefit themselves. And just like our tax system all of the "index rich" bastards will just get richer while us middle class bastards will continue to endure the weight of the rules that are imposed....

Vote No on proposition "Under Average" its just more pork for the "index rich"

I'm Pete Adams and I approve this message......

[C Tanksley]

Originally Posted by Rob Harrison

An idea presented by one of the SRAC reps (name to be released by himself) is starting to gather favorable responses from various decision maker's. It is in fact being discussed at the SRAC meeting in Chicago.

I named it the Under Average, a simple calculation of the final qualifying order of "every" race, taking the total amount under the index, divided by the number of cars, giving an "average under" say -62 under, to set the permanent hit point.

If the average is -60 or below, nothing changes.

The top 1/2 is suggested as a better average under, divided by 8 of the 16 car field, instead of 16, which may be a better indication of the "safe zone" so to speak.

With this in place, the altitude factors stay the same and the mineshaft hits are reduced (Belle Rose this year)

Great idea the fast cars would not be sandbagging wanting the average high.

[ken reich]

i thought this was a good idea from the first time i looked at it---this is calculated in qualifying,but as i said to Rob--what happens when you get good air in qualifying and the average is set -then Sunday rolls around and the conditions are 10 percent better than the 2 qualifying days??this happened in Belle Rose this year--it caught alot of guys,Hickey and 5 or 6 others, it seemed that some bailed early ,not wanting the hit, others took it and paid the price, there is a solution here -hope we can find it--

[comp 670]

I kind of agree with Pete. All this will do is make it easyier for the fast cars and with this in place the indexes will rarely get hit. One of the biggest probs in comp(besides redlights) is the fact that people protect thier index till death and it makes for boring racing.If people would race to the stripe and not give up runs to save index the CIC system would work as intended and -.50 would be a outstanding run.

When I raced C/A back in 2000 a .50 under run was something to be EXTREMELY proud of... Now the way everybody protects thier index a .60 under run barely raises a eyebrow. This will just continue the trend of no index hits....

[ken reich]

remember how hard it was to find 10 hp back then in c/a, now some of the cars just turn up the boost, its not the same as it was,we are only trying to protect index from hits in unreal conditions and at races in the winter months, my car loses a ton in the heat and poor summer air,and haveing a restricted carb only makes it worse,we have to live with what others cars do at those events, i doubt your turbo car really cares much about the conditions, and i do agree most turbo cars are a handful, only because they have to make perfect runs,on less than perfect tracks, turbos,blowers, nitrous, keep making more and more power to be competative with an index that keeps getting hit ,in my opinion, right or wrong,

[Compfan#2]

This is an advantage for the fast cars period. This plan will never work. I think adding .05-.10 back on everyones index is a good idea. This will help everyone out, make the -45 to -50 guys under competitive and the fast cars and the guys with the odd combos will be faster. This hurts nobody and helps everyone.

The guys who continues to lose races to protect their index can continue to do so. And the guys who win and are willing to lose a little here and there can continue to win.

The bottom line is this will help keep guys racing comp and could bring a few more into the class. And lets face it, the guys that win now will always win and the guys that don't, still won't.

Adding to indexes should not happen very often. Once every 10 years or so.

Billy Williams

[Ray Hadford]

Go Pete!!!

Ray Hadford
A/ND or ????
6577

[PeteAdams]

Originally Posted by ken reich

remember how hard it was to find 10 hp back then in c/a, now some of the cars just turn up the boost, its not the same as it was,we are only trying to protect index from hits in unreal conditions and at races in the winter months, my car loses a ton in the heat and poor summer air,and haveing a restricted carb only makes it worse,we have to live with what others cars do at those events, i doubt your turbo car really cares much about the conditions, and i do agree most turbo cars are a handful, only because they have to make perfect runs,on less than perfect tracks, turbos,blowers, nitrous, keep making more and more power to be competative with an index that keeps getting hit ,in my opinion, right or wrong,

Sounds like you are just making a stronger point for why this is a bad Idea. APM, BBAT, etc.and such classes are the ones that need index adjustments the most and often. This system would only help to protect those indexes while the people were just "turning it up". Granted John Mohovitz is always fast but in Fontana a fatest street car NOS guy took the top spot with a 6.30 which was like .730 under in comp but If he would have showed up at Shakedown at Etown he would have watched himself get pushed off the ladder because all the NOS guys are going 6.0's and some even 5.90's.

All Im saying is some classes need to be hit to adjust them properly, not protected so more people have index in the bank. I'm tired of all you index in the bank muterphuckers while I'm over here bouncing checks.........

And another thing that kills me is you said he is allready bringing this up at the meeting this weekend but this is the first that I've heard about it and I thought I was in the know. Holly totalitarian rules comity or should I say The Commission!!!!!!!!!! Next thing you know your gonna get knee capped for not lifting at 1000 ft. I think I have finally lost my phucken mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!